Johann Sebastian Bach Were God not with us here today

Cantata for the 4th Sunday after Epiphany BWV 14, 1735

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  • 1 Coro

    Were God not with us here today,
    when foes so sore assail us,
    fainthearted, would we all then say:
    “Our courage surely will fail us”;
    for we were but a feeble band,
    despised by foes on ev’ry hand,
    did not thy might avail us.

    2 Aria (Soprano)

    Our own might is far too weak
    from our foes itself to fend us.
    Stood not he, in majesty,
    there to foil their tyranny,
    soon into atoms they would rend us.

    3 Recitativo (Tenore)

    Yea, had not God his folk defended,
    long, long ago our lives were ended,
    for they would tear us limb from limb,
    their fury is so fierce and grim.
    Our foes would have our blood

    ...

  • 1 Coro

    Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit,
    so soll Israel sagen,
    wir hätten müssen verzagen,
    die so ein armes Häuflein sind,
    veracht‘ von so viel Menschenkind,
    die an uns setzen alle.


    2 Aria (Soprano) Unsre Stärke heißt zu schwach,
    unserm Feind zu widerstehen.
    Stünd uns nicht der Höchste bei,
    würd uns ihre Tyrannei
    bald bis an das Leben gehen.

    3 Recitativo (Tenore)

    Ja, hätt es Gott nur zugegeben,
    wir wären längst nicht mehr am Leben,
    sie rissen uns aus Rachgier hin,
    so zornig ist auf uns ihr Sinn.
    Es hätt uns ihre Wut

    ...

  • Abridged Foreword of the Edition Carus 31.014/03

    Ulrich Leisinger
    Translation: John Coombs

    With the appointment of Johann August Ernesti on the 16th November 1734 as headmaster of the Thomasschule and therefore successor to Matthias Gessner, who had recently received the prestigious appointment as founding rector of the University of Göttingen, the balance of power in the Leipzig Thomasschule altered considerably. As Bach knew since 1731 through his position as second master, the younger Ernesti was far more interested in the sciences than in the fine arts. It must therefore have appeared to Bach all the more important to produce new church compositions which would add lustre to what he considered to be the honourable tradition of the Thomasschule. For the Sundays and feast days of the period between Christmas Day 1734 and Epiphany 1735 he wrote the Christmas Oratorio. Which section of that work was performed on each of the Sundays after Epiphany can no longer be ascertained, but for the Sunday after Epiphany, which in 1735 fell on the 30th January, Bach produced a new, highly ambitious work, the cantata Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit (Were God not with us here today), BWV 14. This is one of the last of Bach’s

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  • Gekürztes Vorwort der Ausgabe Carus 31.014/03

    Ulrich Leisinger

    Mit der Wahl von Johann August Ernesti am 16. November 1734 als Rektor der Thomasschule und damit Nachfolger von Matthias Gessner, der kurz zuvor die ehrenvolle Berufung zum Gründungsrektor der Universität Göttingen erhalten hatte, verschoben sich die Kräfteverhältnisse in der Leipziger Thomasschule erheblich. Der jüngere Ernesti war, wie Bach aus dessen Wirken als Konrektor seit 1731 wusste, an den Wissenschaften weit mehr als an den schönen Künsten interessiert. Umso wichtiger musste es Bach daher erscheinen, mit neuen, repräsentativen Kirchenkompositionen aufzuwarten, um den Stellenwert, den die Musik seiner Überzeugung nach an der ehrwürdigen Thomasschule behalten sollte, zu unterstreichen. Für die Sonn- und Festtage der Zeit vom 1. Weihnachtstag 1734 bis zum Epiphaniasfest 1735 ist das Weihnachtsoratorium entstanden. Welche Werke an den ersten Sonntagen nach dem Epiphaniasfest erklungen sind, ist heute nicht mehr auszumachen. Doch schon zum 4. Sonntag nach Epiphanias, der im Jahr 1735 am 30. Januar begangen wurde, trat Bach wiederum mit einem neuen, höchst ambitionierten Werk auf, der Kantate Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit BWV 14. Das Werk gehört

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Johann Sebastian Bach: Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit BWV 14

Johann Sebastian Bach: Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit  BWV 14

This is not a cantata I know, nor do I have the NBA score (edited by Carus’s St John Passion editor, Peter Wollny, whose industry was commended in our last issue), so I have little to say. Unless they have produced it since their 2.000 Bach catalogue, Breitkopf doesn’t have score and parts and Bärenreiter has very little performance material for its NBA cantatas, so Carus probably has the field to itself. It is one of the more chorus-friendly cantatas (assuming that you want to sing it with chorus in the modern sense) with a substantial chorale setting (unusually in 3/8) and a simple version as movement five, separated by alias for soprano and bass, with an intervening recit for tenor. The recit has elaborate runs for the continuo depicting the effect our foes would have on us without God’s defence. The edition marks it senza organo, which is odd since the incipit in the Bach Compendium gives figures, as does BG. The soprano aria is scored for strings with a soloistic part for Corno par force in B flat; it also (in F) plays the chorale in the outer movements, negotiating as its third, fourth and fifth notes written F, F sharp and G above the treble stave. Two oboes, who double the horn in the chorales, accompany the bass solo, with the continuo, again here marked senza organo, though not in BC or BG. (The figured part, incidentally, is in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge, and the figuring is in Bach’s hand, according to Dreyfus.) It looks an exciting piece to perform.

Quelle: Early Music Review April 2003

Diese zum 4. Sonntag nach Epiphanie komponierte Kantate fällt mit ihrer Entstehung in die Zeit des Rektorenwechsels an der Thomasschule zu Leipzig. Der Nachfolger Gessners, Ernesti, war an den Wissenschaften weit mehr interessiert als an den schönen Künsten. Um so genauer musste Bach darauf achten, exemplarische, repräsentative Kirchenkompositionen zu schaffen, um so den Stellenwert der ehrwürdigen Thomasschule zu unterstreichen.
Grundlage für dieses Werk ist ein dreistrophiges Lied Martin Luthers, das sich wiederum auf den 124. Psalm bezieht. Hier wird Gott als Helfer in Not und Gefahr besungen
Der in der Harmonik bestechende Eingangschor ist wie in anderen Choralkantaten als Choralfantasie angelegt, wobei der Schlusschor als einfacher 4stimmiger Satz erklingt. Die zweite Strophe ist Grundlage für das zentrale Rezitativ des Tenors. Die Arientexte sind Neuschöpfungen, die die Kerngedanken der Liedvorlagen aufgreifen.
Die 19 Minuten dauernde Komposition sollte keinesfalls unterschätzt werden - der Eingangschor verlangt einem Vokalensemble schon Einiges ab. Nichtsdestotrotz wäre dieses Werk für bach-geübte Sängerinnen und Sänger eine vortreffliche Aufgabe. Aufgrund der Kürze könnte ich mir eine Aufführung auch während einer Messfeier vorstellen, mit einer Konsequenz: heute fällt die Predigt einmal aus.

Peter Bartetzky
Quelle: Musik im Bistum Essen II/03 – I/04, S. 60

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